Nov 20

Because of the Sin You Must teaching and the great compromise of Christianity, even those that feel like they are committed Christians have got the idea somewhere in the back of their minds that to commit sin is an option.

In part, this has happened due to confusion over what sin is. Honest Christians have been confused into thinking that errors, faults, and mistakes in opinion and action are sins. You can read Biblical Definition of Sin where this issue is covered in greater depth.

They put what they are calling ‘unwilful sins’ together with what are ‘willful sins’ and call them both sins. They have it in their mind that we are all sinners, and you will hear them confessing that they are ’sinners (present tense) saved by grace’.

Also, many times when they pray you will hear them confessing their sins to God just like it is a completely normal thing to be sinning. They do this in a general way with no shame, and in the same breath they thank the Lord for the good day he has given them.

New Christians hear this kind of talk and they do not always realize these people are talking about errors, faults, and mistakes, thus they conclude that sin is part of a Christian’s life. Then when they are presented with a sin that appeals to their flesh, the devil is there to tell them, “It’s okay, God will forgive you and we are all sinners anyways.”

One of the first issues I deal with when I am disciplining a new Christian, is to get them straight on the Biblical definition of sin and teach them that sin is not an option for a Christian.

Most people that come to Christ have been around Christians and have been exposed to the Sin You Must teaching, therefore, it is very important to go over this subject as quickly as possible with them.

For a more in depth discussion concerning the meaning of death as related to spiritual death (separation from God) in the Bible, please read Commiting Sin Brings Spiritual Death.

This is how I deal with the subject:

1. You have to be tempted before you can sin:
Jas 1:14, 15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

2. Sin under the new covenant is rated by light and understanding, and is willful:
Rom 14:22. 23 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Rom 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Jas 4:17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

3. One sin is as bad as another sin, in the eyes of God:
Luk 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

4. God is faithful to keep us from falling into sin:
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
2Th 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you, and keep you from evil.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

5. We must keep the commandments:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mar 12:29-31 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn 2:3, 4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

6. It is God’s will that we do not sin:
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

7. If we transgress God’s commandments, we show we do not love him:
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

8. Those that claim to be Christians and sin are liars:
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

9. Thosewho sin do not have eternal life:
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

10. Those that die with sin in their life will be lost:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

11. Sin is bad fruit, and bad fruit means the tree is bad:
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:16-20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Joh 15:4-6 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

12. Sin brings bondage:
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

13. Those who sin should be ashamed of themselves:
Rom 6:20, 21 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

14. Sin brings separation (spiritual death) from God:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 3:2, 3 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Joh 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15. Sin will sear and defile your conscience:
Mar 10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16. To go into sin is like a dog to his vomit and a pig to its mire:
2Pe 2:21, 22 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

17. Those who sin are of the devil:
1Jn 3:8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

18. The power of God in us is greater than the power of sin:
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19. All Christians are free from sin:
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

20. Through faith, Christians stand, are kept, and overcome:
Eph 6:13, 16 Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand… Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
2Co 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

When you have this study with a new Christian who has not already fallen back into the rut of sinning and repenting, they have no reason to accept or uphold the ‘Sin You Must’ teaching. You will find that it is not hard for them to see that there is no place for sin in the Christian’s life.

I have found for the most part that those who reject this teaching are those who either currently-or in the recent past-have been involved in willful sin, or in the past have been up and down and are not willing to take a stand against their past experience by taking a strong stand against all sin.

The Scriptures are very clear that there is no place for sin in the Christian life. Let each one renounce this wrong teaching, no matter what implications it has on our past or present profession. Let us walk carefully, humbly, and prayerfully before God, taking heed lest we should fall into sin (1Cor 10:13).

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19 Responses to “Sin Is Not an Option for the Christian”

  1. 1. thenonconformer Says:

    sin is never an option or a right

  2. 2. Bob Mutch Says:

    Hi thenonconformer; I go a step further and hold that the Bible teaches that those that sin are no longer a child of God (1Joh 3:15).

  3. 3. Steve Says:

    Nonconformer. You’re seriously wrong. I’ll pray for you. We can live without sinning, by continuous miracle. This is possible, but not usual. If you think you’re living without sinning - then you just don’t understand sin.

  4. 4. Bob Mutch Says:


    Are you saying that if a person holds you can live free from sin and that they are living free from sin they don’t understand sin?



  5. 5. thenonconformer Says:

    Yeah we can live with out sin, dream on. We can always lie that we do not sin.

    Do always pray for me too, always much appreciated, we all need prayer.

    It always amazed me the so-called perfect divorcing evangelical wife even, actually an economic and physical prostitute and her perverse lawyers, can so easily see all of the spouses’ sins still cannot even see their own, and why was that? The devil still controls what they do and can see.

    Now for those sinless liars:

    (1 Ki 8:46 KJV) If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

    (2 Chr 6:36 KJV) If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

    (Eccl 7:20 KJV) For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

  6. 6. thenonconformer Says:

    >>>Are you saying that if a person holds you can live free from sin

    Yes they can in theory other wise God would not demand holliness from us but in practice no one does but Jesus alone.

  7. 7. Bob Mutch Says:

    Hi thenonconformer,

    I guess it depends on your definition of sin. If you see mistakes, lacks in the fruit of the Spirit, and errors as sins then of course we are all sinners and only a fool would deny this. But if you see sin as a willful and known act of disobedience against a known commandment of God that is a different matter.

    1Cor 10:13; 2Thess 3:3; 2Pet 1:10; and Jude 1:20 tell us God is able, is faithful to, and will make a way of escape from temptation. So the questions is not is it possible to live free from willful and known sinning, but why don’t professing Christians take the way out from temptation that God makes.

    The scriptures you quoted (1Ki 8:46; 2Chro 6:36; Eccl 7:20) are written pre-Christ. We now have a better sacrifice (Heb 9:23), better mediator (Heb 8:6), a better high priest (Heb 7:26), better promises (Heb 8:6), and a better covenant (Heb 8:6), which all speak of better things (Heb 12:24) that being “captivity to the law of sin” (Rom 7:23) and the “good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do” (Rom 7:19).

    The New Covenant scriptures are very clear that the “law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” under this new covenant makes us “free from the law of sin and death” which the law “could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh”. We which now believe “are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses” (Act 13:39).

    If this is something that has been hide from you and you have not seen this then I can only suggest that you “examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith” (2 Cor 3:15). The Calvinist delusion that the best the blood of Christ can do is leave us sinning and repenting as they did in under the old covenant will be responsible for damning more souls than the bars and clubs.

    Christian love and prayers,


  8. 8. Bob Mutch Says:

    Hi thenonconformer,

    If this is the case you need to find yourself a new set of Christian friends. There are 1000’s of people living above the false teaching of sin-you-must.



  9. 9. Christian Says:


    Ha ha ah you are taking false pot shots at the others still.. Heal yourself.. One reason too many wicked persons like do not repent it cause they seem to think they are better over others, when they are the same, and the toothpick faults they see in others is a beam in their own eyes and that is why they are so conscious of it too now in reality. In truth now you are merely another too typical. common, confused bully, basher and liar in reality.. for firstly you need to look at yourself really and stop lying when you say you do not judge others for you are another hypocrite … you clearly like to make yourself look good by trying to paint a bad picture of others under the disguise of helping, praying for them, God likley does not even hear your prayers in reality .. get your own real life in Jesus first.,

  10. 10. bob Says:

    Hi Christian,

    The Lord bless you and think you for leaving your comment.

    First I don’t think I am better than others. I do think that Jesus has changed my life and that I am in the favor of God. Certainly this has been a change “for the better”.

    I am promoting that people not only take the beam and moot out of there eye but that they help their brethren with their beams. And by beams I am talking about things the Bible tells us to cast off not man made rules.

    I would fault and reprove professing Christians for willful and known sins. These I would not call toothpick faults.

    Calling me a “bully, basher and liar” and “hypocrite” seem quite judgmental seeing how you don’t know me and we have never met.

    To me it seems you are doing quite a bit of judging here yourself.

    I think God delights in my prayers and I have lost my life and now have the life of Christ.

    May the Lord bless you as you seek to be a blessing to others.

    Christian love and prayers,


  11. 11. Paul Says:

    Hi, We must not be the hearer who is not a doer, James 1:23. Anyone who disagrees with the main point of this article must not understand the New Covenant (the law of love written in our new heart of flesh), and we better get rid of denominational bias (like Calvinism) and read our bible, study it thoroughly! Workers of iniquity can not enter Heaven! 1 Cor 6:9, Gal. 5:21. Matt 7:20-23 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 13:41-43 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. Matthew 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 1Cor13:6(Love)Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Titus 2:11-15 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things “speak”, and “exhort”, and “rebuke” with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Ezek 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. Matt 5:16 Let your light shine… Of course, we are saved by grace through faith, not saved by works but by the precious blood of the Lamb, but if we draw back, if we do not continue in his word John 8:31, if we do not depart from iniquity, these works, actions, prove that our faith is dead James 2:17, 2:20, 2:26. We must have a Living Faith that changes, makes us a new creature, cleanses us from sin, keeps us clean, pure, so that wicked one does not touch us. There is Power in the Blood! Do we serve the Jesus of the Bible, or a different jesus? Jesus saves us from being the slave of sin! Victory! Rev 7:9-17 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. I must be in that crowd at all cost! Jesus is the victory! I hope we can all see the light and walk therein. Pray for me, Paul.

  12. 12. gfdgjdjtdjrvhevseryrhjtdkbpiu Says:

    It’s good to know that God has already given some of us glorified/sin free bodies! I’m still waiting on mine…

    I guess that because I haven’t perfected myself in the fires of my own effort, I will be forever lost and ultimately cast into the lake of fire…

    Take care perfect, pure, sinless creatures..

  13. 13. bob Says:

    Hi gfdgjdjtdjrvhevseryrhjtdkbpiu,

    No one has a glorified body yet but we can be kept by the power of God through faith from all sinning. No one can be obedient through their own effects but only by looking to God and standing on his promises.

    Here are a few of the promises for you to consider.

    Lk 10:19 over all the power of the enemy
    Mk 9:23 all things are possible to him that believeth
    Mk 11:24 what things soever ye desire
    Rom 8:31 God be for us, who can be against us
    Rom 8:37 more than conquerors
    Rom 12:21 overcome evil with good
    1Cor 10:13 make a way of escape
    1Cor 15:57 giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ
    2Cor 2:14 always causeth us to triumph
    2Cor 9:8 all grace abound toward you
    2Cor 12:9-10 my grace is sufficient
    Eph 1:3 blessed us with all spiritual blessings
    Eph 1:19 exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward
    Eph 3:20 able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask
    Eph 6:13 that ye may be able to stand
    Phil 2:13 to will and to do
    Col 1:29 which worketh in me mightily
    1Ti 1:14 grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant
    2Thess 3:3 keep you from evil
    Heb 4:16 find grace to help in time of need
    Heb 12:3-4 consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners
    2Pet 1:3 given unto us all things
    2Pet 1:10 ye shall never fall
    1Joh 2:13 ye have overcome the wicked one
    1Joh 2:14 ye are strong
    1Joh 4:4 greater is he that is in you
    1Joh 5:4 the victory that overcometh the world even our faith
    1Joh 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world
    Jude 1:24 able to keep you from falling
    Rev 12:11 they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony

    Christian love and prayers,


  14. 14. Grant Says:

    I kinda came upon this blog looking for help in my own struggles against sin and temptation.., in the article I only found discouragement and in these comments I only found sadness. Always remember in the parable it was the sinner crying to God for mercy that went out justified. But also remember the commandment was sin no more.

    If it really was possible for us to always walk in perfect obedience I doubt John would have wrote of that men who say they have no sin are liars and the truth is not in them. The thing is, it is never a case of you must sin, but rather a case of we do sin - and when we do it is we that are at fault - there is no room for a necessary consequence or victim hood defenses. The power of Christ is mighty to deliver from all sorts of malady, but sinless perfection is not on the cards this side of eternity…, at least for me it isn’t even though I want to be more obedient and honouring to Jesus (and yes I pray for this regularly).

    One last thing: sin, at least a biblical definition of it, is any deviation from perfect christlikeness whether motive, action, inaction, mood under which whatever is done. Sin after all is missing the mark or target, and that target just happens to be perfection. With regards to law, it exposes sin and makes plain the presence of imperfection in the man.

    I must be honet one of the main hopes I have as a Christian is release from my old flesh and looking to the day when I will see Him as He is in a body no longer constantly at the mercy of every whim lust and distraction.

    Anyways I got to go sleep.


  15. 15. Haz Says:

    You are right that most do not use God’s definitions of “sin”.
    I read your article on sin definitions but I will use quotes from God’s word instead.
    So, what are God’s definitions of “sin”?
    One definition is found in 1John3:4, i.e transgression of the law.

    So when God said in 1John3:6-9 that Christians “do not sin”, He gave a definition a few verses before that for us to understand what He is saying. Now we know the context “sin” is being spoken of here, i.e “sin” is transgression of the law of sin and death.

    So why does He say Christians “do not sin:?

    Are Christians still under this law or did Jesus fulfill this law on the cross for us? God’s answer below.

    Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW

    Romans 8:2-4 Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me FREE FROM THE LAW of sin and death.

    Romans 7:4 you also have become DEAD TO THE LAW through the body of Christ

    Colossians 2:14 having WIPED OUT the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, having NAILED IT TO THE CROSS

    Romans 3:19.20 we know that whatever the law says, IT SAYS TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW

    1Timothy 1:9 the law is NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS PERSON (I.E Christians), BUT FOR the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for SINNERS

    Romans 4:15 the law brings about wrath; for where there is NO LAW THERE IS NO TRANSGRESSION. (i.e where no law is there is NO SIN).

    So we see Christians “do not sin” as God says and this is because they are no longer under the law of sin and death. Remember Rom3:19,20 that what the law says it says only to those who are under it. So “sin ” is a label applied to those under the law who transgress it, i.e “sin”. Hence Christians “do not sin”. Although Christians do wrong things, being set free from the law we cannot be accused of transgressing it, i.e SIN, because where no law is there is no transgression (Rom4:15). Instead God chastises those He loves.

    There are other definitions of sin such as unbelief (John16:9) and blasphemy etc and here Christians do not sin either.



  16. 16. bob Says:

    Hi Haz,

    If Christians can’t sin because of the reason you have posted why would John write to Chrisitans that “if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ”?


  17. 17. Haz Says:

    Hi Bob,

    1John is not written specifically to Christians. If you read it from beginning of chapter 1 you can see that it is declaring life to those in darkness so that they too can have fellowship with the Father.

    When we read chapter 2 where it says “that ye sin not…” we should ask ourselves what sin definition? Is it transgression of the law, or unbelief, or blasphemy etc?

    It refers to transgression of the law of sin and death so we would read it as “if any man sin (i.e is under the law and transgresses it), we have an advocate…..” Such a person is not a Christian and needs to believe on Jesus Christ.

    As you are aware of the importance of using God’s definitions, etc, you would be aware that what the law says it says to those under it. Christrians are set free from the law hence we cannot be accused of transgression ( SIN ) of this law Jesus set us free from.



  18. 18. Grant Says:

    One thing you must take into account when reading the epistle of 1 John is that John is countering gnostic heresy and influence in the church: there was basically this group of people who were saying God is a dark esoteric hidden God, and that they “the gnostic gurus” had special knowledge of God that allowed them to commit sinful deeds and not have it he sin - i. e. They would claim to have no sin, nor were they confessional about their deeds. They wouldn’t just share their supposed “enlightened” knowledge either.

    It is to a church in the context of these influences that John declares “God is light”, “the man who says he is without sin is a liar”, “if we confess our sins, He is faithfully and righteous to forgive us… “, and “if we say we have not sinned, we make Him a liar… “.

    On Rom 10:4 the statement of Christ being the end of the law has in view the law of Moses and the Jews trying to follow it in order to earn a right standing before God. So yes in tuis sense the law is definitely gone.

    Rom 8:2 - word law here refers to principal or power.
    Rom 8:3-4 - is stating that the Law could not set the man free from the power of sin and death, but Christ has, for those walking according to the Spirit.

    Rom 7:4 - yes the Christian is made free from the legal power of the Law.

    Col 2:14 - up the legal record of our sin has been dealt with on the cross.

    Rom 3:19-20 - agreed, the role of the law is to condemn men, to give them knowledge of the sinful sin which was already there - so that everyone shuts up when standing before God.

    1Tim 1:4 - agreed.

    Rom 4:15 - I would say you are making a big jump at this point, the text is speaking of the inability of the law to nullify the promise made to Abraham, and that the reason the law was given was to expose the act as sin and bring condemnation accordingly. A act can he sinful even if there is Jo law against it, the law against it doesn’t make the act sin, bit exposes it as sin and brings it under judgement. You can see this also from Rom 7:12-13.

    If you equate sin as transgression of revealed law then Cain murdering Abel was not sin, nor his lying to God, nor Adams accusation against God for about God being the one that gave him the woman ‘Eve’. Yet we know these thing are sinful acts deserving of judgement.

    The Christian’s can’t sin theorem is true only in that their sin no longer affects their standing before God, or brings condemnation upon them.

    A Christian husband can still lie to his wife which is a sinful act, and some do from time to time. The difference between the man under grace vs the one under the law is that the one under law receives God as a punitive Judge, and the Christian receives God as a loving Father, which will discipline him for his good.


  19. 19. Tanille Says:

    Fantastic explanation Grant. It is a little concerning that new Christians might come across this and feel that there is no hope for them. I am unsure actually of Bob’s view, it sounds quite legalistic, maybe you need to clarify Bob?

    I posted a long explanation according to my understanding under the post “do Christians lose their salvation if they sin?”. In short, we are required to be obedient and seek sanctification (cleanse ourselves of sin). We will be convicted of sin throughout our lives for as Grant said, it’s not that we MUST sin, but rather that we DO sin. We are made up of flesh and spirit. We will wrestle between those 2 always. To receive God’s grace and forgiveness and salvation we must humble ourselves as the Word says, and acknowledge we are imperfect sinners.

    I too feel frustrated at this point of view, but I don’t think Bob is being arrogant, I think he maybe has a bit of a legalistic view though. Bob, you proved the point we are trying to make yourself, by saying that you are talking about willful sin. What I think you are saying is that you cannot ignore the fact that you need to stop committing a certain sin once God has convicted you of it because then you are acting in rebellion. As Grant said, once we repent, we don’t feel condemnation, which is not of God. Conviction is of God. So you are right to say, if that’s what you are saying, that we must not act in rebellion. But all sin is equal in GOD’S eyes, willful or not, so it’s all the same argument. It’s up to God to convict us of sins we don’t see in ourselves when we humble ourselves in prayer & ask for revelation, hence the purpose of repentance & Jesus dying on the cross to save us. Repentance is not a one time thing and if you sin after, you’re done for. This is living in condemnation. This is what I pick up here, but I can also see how it can come across that you are saying people are trying to make excuses & are therefore feeling defensive because if you’re teaching this, then it seems as though you think you are sin free (no difference between willful and non-willful except our awareness of it, & therefore our motivations and purity of heart in cleansing ourselves of sin. God does not distinguish, He expects us to seek sanctification but to be humble enough to know that it’s ONLY by His grace we are forgiven as we are all sinners).

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