Feb 19
  • 1Pet 4:17 if it [judgment] first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? — are U obeying the gospel #fb #
  • 1Pet 4:8a And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves #fb #
  • 1Pet 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. #fb #
  • The Gospel of Jesus is pure and holy, and requires a holy heart and holy life. AC #fb #
  • Adam Clarke has some good comments on 2Pet 3 that it would do you good to read http://www.godrules.net/library/clarke/clarke2pet3.htm #fb #
  • Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. #fb #
  • Are you without spots of willful or known sin in your life? are you by the grace of God with out blame? #fb #
  • those that are looking for this day are exhorted to be diligent that they may be found in peace with spot and blameless. #fb #
  • Only those who are living a holy life and walking in godliness can wish for this day to come. #fb #
  • to hasten to the coming of the day of God is to earnestly desiring that this day would come — do you earnestly desire that day to come #fb #
  • haste — 1. swiftness of motion; speed; 2. urgent need of quick action; a hurry or rush: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/haste #fb #
  • What does "hastening unto the coming of the day of God" mean? #fb #
  • When is the last time you looked up to the sky and meditated on the coming of Jesus and how you would fair in the Judgment? #fb #
  • Christians are to be "looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God". Are you daily looking for the coming of Christ? #fb #
  • what if God brings the world into judgment or you die today. Are you ready? Have you been living holy? Or are U living after the flesh? #fb #
  • even if the world doesn't end soon you will. seeing then you could die and stand before God at any moment how should you be living? #fb #
  • seeing the world will soon end what kind of a person should you be in holy conduct and godliness? #fb #
  • 2Pet 3:10 the Lord will come as a thief in the night but it won't be a secret coming as the heavens shall pass away with a great noise. #fb #
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Feb 19

King James VersionOne of my greatest objects against the King James Translation is that it is a translation that is tainted by the doctrine of Calvinism. In Hebrews 6:6 we have a clear example of strong Calvinistic influence. This is a good reason why we should not just be reading or studying with one translation.

Here is a list of other translations that it would be good for you to have access to:

NASB — New American Standard Bible
YLT — Young’s Literal Translation
NKJV — New King James Version
NIV — New International Version
AB — Amplified Bible
ESV — English Standard Version

and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. Heb 6:6 NASB

“Verse 6. If they shall fall away] kai parapesontav

And having fallen away. I can express my own mind on this translation nearly in the words of Dr. Macknight: “The participles fwtisqentav, who were enlightened, geusamenouv, have tasted, and genhqentav, were made partakers, being aorists, are properly rendered by our translators in the past time; wherefore, parapesontav, being an aorist, ought likewise to have been translated in the past time, HAVE fallen away. Nevertheless, our translators, following Beza, who without any authority from ancient MSS.

has inserted in his version the word si, if, have rendered this clause, IF they fall away, that this text might not appear to contradict the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. But as no translator should take upon him to add to or alter the Scriptures, for the sake of any favourite doctrine, I have translated parapesontav in the past time, have fallen away, according to the true import of the word, as standing in connection with the other aorists in the preceding verses.”

Dr. Macknight was a Calvinist, and he was a thorough scholar and an honest man; but, professing to give a translation of the epistle, he consulted not his creed but his candour. Had our translators, who were excellent and learned men, leaned less to their own peculiar creed in the present authorized version, the Church of Christ in this country would not have been agitated and torn as it has been with polemical divinity.

It appears from this, whatever sentiment may gain or lose by it, that there is a fearful possibility of falling away from the grace of God; and if this scripture did not say so, there are many that do say so. And were there no scripture express on this subject, the nature of the present state of man, which is a state of probation or trial, must necessarily imply it. Let him who most assuredly standeth, take heed lest he fall.”
–Adam Clarke

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Feb 19

Adam ClarkeFor it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:4-6

Adam Clarke on Heb 6:4-6

“Verse 5. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened]

Before I proceed to explain the different terms in these verses, it is necessary to give my opinion of their design and meaning:

1. I do not consider them as having any reference to any person professing Christianity.

2. They do not belong, nor are they applicable, to backsliders of any kind.

3. They belong to apostates from Christianity; to such as reject the whole Christian system, and its author, the Lord Jesus.

4. And to those of them only who join with the blaspheming Jews, call Christ an impostor, and vindicate his murderers in having crucified him as a malefactor; and thus they render their salvation impossible, by wilfully and maliciously rejecting the Lord that bought them.

No man believing in the Lord Jesus as the great sacrifice for sin, and acknowledging Christianity as a Divine revelation, is here intended, though he may have unfortunately backslidden from any degree of the salvation of God.

The design of these solemn words is evidently, First, to show the Hebrews that apostasy from the highest degrees of grace was possible; and that those who were highest in the favour of God might sin against him, lose it, and perish everlastingly.

Secondly, to warn them against such an awful state of perdition, that they might not be led away, by either the persuasions or persecutions of their countrymen, from the truth of the heavenly doctrine which had been delivered to them. And, Thirdly, to point out the destruction which was shortly to come upon the Jewish nation.

Once enlightened-Thoroughly instructed in the nature and design of the Christian religion, having received the knowledge of the truth, chap. x. 32; and being convinced of sin, righteousness, and judgment, and led to Jesus the saviour of sinners.

Tasted of the heavenly gift]

Having received the knowledge of salvation by the remission of sins, through the Day Spring which from on high had visited them; such having received Christ, the heavenly gift of God’s infinite love, John iii. 16; the living bread that came down from heaven, John vi. 51; and thus tasting that the Lord is gracious; 1 Pet. ii. 3, and witnessing the full effects of the Christian religion.

Partakers of the Holy Ghost]

The Spirit himself witnessing with their spirits that they were the children of God, and thus assuring them of God’s mercy towards them, and of the efficacy of the atonement through which they had received such blessings.

Verse 5. And have tasted the good word of God]

Have had this proof of the excellence of the promise of God in sending the Gospel, the Gospel being itself the good word of a good God, the reading and preaching of which they find sweet to the taste of their souls. Genuine believers have an appetite for the word of God; they taste it, and then their relish for it is the more abundantly increased. The more they get, the more they wish to have.

The powers of the world to come] dunameiv te mellontov aiwnov.

These words are understood two ways:

1. The powers of the world to come may refer to the stupendous miracles wrought in confirmation of the Gospel, the Gospel dispensation being the world to come in the Jewish phraseology, as we have often seen; and that dunamiv is often taken for a mighty work or miracle, is plain from various parts of the gospels. The prophets had declared that the Messiah, when he came, should work many miracles, and should be as mighty in word and deed as was Moses; see Deut. xviii. 15-19.

And they particularly specify the giving sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, strength to the lame, and speech to the dumb; Isa. xxxv. 5, 6. All these miracles Jesus Christ did in the sight of this very people; and thus they had the highest evidence they could have that Jesus was this promised Messiah, and could have no pretense to doubt his mission, or apostatize from the Christian faith which they had received; and hence it is no wonder that the apostle denounces the most awful judgments of God against those who had apostatized from the faith, which they had seen thus confirmed.

2. The words have been supposed to apply to those communications and foretastes of eternal blessedness, or of the joys of the world to come, which they who are justified through the blood of the covenant, and walk faithfully with their God, experience; and to this sense the word geusamenouv have tasted, is thought more properly to apply. But geuomai, to taste, signifies to experience or have full proof of a thing.

Thus, to taste death, Matt. xvi. 28, is to die, to come under the power of death, fully to experience its destructive nature as far as the body is concerned. See also Luke ix. 27; John viii. 52. And it is used in the same sense in chap. ii. 9 of this epistle, where Christ is said to taste death for every man; for notwithstanding the metaphor, which the reader will see explained in the note on the above place, the word necessarily means that he did actually die, that he fully experienced death; and had the fullest proof of it and of its malignity he could have, independently of the corruption of his flesh; for over this death could have no power. And to taste that the Lord is gracious, 1 Pet. ii. 3, is to experience God’s graciousness thoroughly, in being made living stones, built up into a spiritual house, constituted holy priests to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God; see 1 Pet. ii. 5. And in this sense it is used by the purest Greek writers. See several examples in Schleusner.

It seems, therefore, that the first opinion is the best founded.

Verse 6. If they shall fall away] kai parapesontav

And having fallen away. I can express my own mind on this translation nearly in the words of Dr. Macknight: “The participles fwtisqentav, who were enlightened, geusamenouv, have tasted, and genhqentav, were made partakers, being aorists, are properly rendered by our translators in the past time; wherefore, parapesontav, being an aorist, ought likewise to have been translated in the past time, HAVE fallen away. Nevertheless, our translators, following Beza, who without any authority from ancient MSS.

has inserted in his version the word si, if, have rendered this clause, IF they fall away, that this text might not appear to contradict the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. But as no translator should take upon him to add to or alter the Scriptures, for the sake of any favourite doctrine, I have translated parapesontav in the past time, have fallen away, according to the true import of the word, as standing in connection with the other aorists in the preceding verses.”

Dr. Macknight was a Calvinist, and he was a thorough scholar and an honest man; but, professing to give a translation of the epistle, he consulted not his creed but his candour. Had our translators, who were excellent and learned men, leaned less to their own peculiar creed in the present authorized version, the Church of Christ in this country would not have been agitated and torn as it has been with polemical divinity.

It appears from this, whatever sentiment may gain or lose by it, that there is a fearful possibility of falling away from the grace of God; and if this scripture did not say so, there are many that do say so. And were there no scripture express on this subject, the nature of the present state of man, which is a state of probation or trial, must necessarily imply it. Let him who most assuredly standeth, take heed lest he fall.

To renew them again unto repentance]

As repentance is the first step that a sinner must take in order to return to God, and as sorrow for sin must be useless in itself unless there be a proper sacrificial offering, these having rejected the only available sacrifice, their repentance for sin, had they any, would be nugatory, and their salvation impossible on this simple account; and this is the very reason which the apostle immediately subjoins:-

Seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God]

They reject him on the ground that he was an impostor, and justly put to death. And thus they are said to crucify him to themselves – to do that in their present apostasy which the Jews did; and they show thereby that, had they been present when he was crucified, they would have joined with his murderers.

And put him to an open shame.] paradeigmatizontav

And have made him a public example; or, crucifying unto themselves and making the Son of God a public example. That is, they show openly that they judge Jesus Christ to have been worthy of the death which he suffered, and was justly made a public example by being crucified. This shows that it is final apostasy, by the total rejection of the Gospel, and blasphemy of the saviour of men, that the apostle has in view.”
–Adam Clarke

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Feb 18

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  • Two steps of Salvation: 1: Less of me more of thee 2: none of me all of thee #fb #
  • Two steps of Salvation: 1: Less of me more of thee 2: none of me all of thee #
  • Some call it the baptism of the Holy Spirit, entire sanctification, the higher life, second work, but what ever U call it U must have it #fb #
  • The selfless life that God wants to lead all Christians into is 1 where they willingly give up their rights & desires & live for others. #fb #
  • Christians must come to the post-salvation place where they repent of their selfishness and consecrate to live a selfless life. #fb #
  • After a Christian is saved they need to be brought to the understanding that they are selfish. #fb #
  • As we walk in the light godly sorrow 4 our past life will increase & our repentance will deepen We will repent & turn from the self life #fb #
  • godly sorrow and repentance are pre-salvation. With out godly sorrow and repentance there is no salvation. #fb #
  • The Divine Art of Soul Winning by J. Oswald Sanders — http://www.honeywagonseptic.com/Study%20Items/Studies/discipleship/concern.html #
  • BACKSLIDERS! the longer you're away the further you'll stray! #fb #
  • to eat in moderation is more difficult for some people than fasting. #fb #
  • You can increase your desire for God through fasting and prayer. #fb #
  • I am reading John Piper' book "A Hunger For God" here is the PDF — http://www.desiringgod.org/media/pdf/books_hfg/hfg_all.pdf #fb #
  • fasting is a way of expressing to God that he is the supreme hunger of our hearts—that we are starving for him. JP #fb #
  • Jesus did not say, “If you fast” but “When you fast” (Mat 6:16). #fb #
  • The weakness of our hunger for God is not because he is unsavory, but
    because we keep ourselves stuffed with “other things.” JP #fb #
  • When God is the supreme hunger of our hearts, he will be supreme in everything. JP #fb #
  • Fasting is not the forfeit of evil but of good. JP #fb #
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Feb 17

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  • BACKSLIDERS! the longer your away the further you stray! #fb #
  • If we are doing things that will help us grow in grace then there will be grace to keep us from being proud about growing in grace. #fb #
  • does not the triumph of fasting over the body’s appetites lead to pride and self-reliance, which is even worse than gluttony? JP #fb #
  • But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast. Mat 19:15 #fb #
  • The strongest, most mature Christians I have ever met are the hungriest for God. JP #fb #
  • One might think that those who feast most often on communion with God are least hungry. JP — not so. #fb #
  • Fasting proves the presence, and fans the flame, of our hunger for God. JPm #fb #
  • “I will not be mastered by anything” (1Cor 6:12). — not blogging,? not Internet,? not chess? not news? not _____ ? — can you say this? #fb #
  • Anger, bitterness, jealousy, strife, fear — if they are within us, they will surface during fasting. RF – I have never experienced that #fb #
  • “I humbled my soul with fasting” Ps 35:13 — do you think you can receive humility through fasting??? #fb #
  • Is food your drug? Do you medicate with food? Wow what a question eh? #fb #
  • I must resist but so often I don't. Ok no more cookies today! #fb #
  • It would be easier to have none than to stop at 4. I have not eaten much today, one meal and one small snack. #fb #
  • For example I just found a tin of Susan's home made cookies in the freezer. I just had 4 of them. #fb #
  • Personally I don't find fasting to hard. What is harder is temperance! #fb #
  • More than any other discipline, fasting reveals the things that control us. RF #fb #
  • Christian fasting is a test to see what desires control us. What are our bottom-line passions? JP #fb #
  • We must show our preferences not merely with words but with sacrifice. JP #fb #
  • We easily deceive ourselves that we love God unless our love is frequently put to the test. JP #fb #
  • To say that God “need not have tried the experiment” is to say that because God knows, the thing known by God need not exist. LCS #fb #
  • Do you delight in food more that you delight in the Lord? Do you sacrifice food for time with the Lord or time with the Lord for food? #fb #
  • I find it strange that the greatest competitors for our devotion and affection for God would be some of his gifts. #fb #
  • Anything can stand in the way of true discipleship — not just evil, and not just food, but anything. JP #fb #
  • Oxen and fields and marriage can keep you out of the kingdom of heaven. JP #fb #
  • Internet suffering and chess playing came become a deadly substitute for God. #fb #
  • “The desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful” (Mark 4:19). — are your other things food? #fb #
  • Has the Word been choked out of your experience by the "pleasures of this life" (Lk 8:14). #fb #
  • For when these replace an appetite for God himself, the idolatry is scarcely recognizable, and almost incurable. JP #fb #
  • The other half is that our homesickness for God is threatened because our physical appetites are so intense. JP #fb #
  • Half of Christian fasting is that our physical appetite is lost because our homesickness for God is so intense. JP #fb #
  • When the sense of God diminishes, fasting disappears. JP #fb #
  • Bethlehem Baptist Church statement — "We exist to spread a passion for the supremacy of God in all things for the joy of all peoples." #fb #
  • It is my desire on the More Christ Like blog to spread a passion for the supremacy of God in the live of the Christian! #fb #
  • We must avoid both the ditch of self-indulgences and self-denial. One is as bad as the other. #fb #
  • As with most truths there is a ditch on either side. With fasting their is the ditch of self-indulgences and self-denial. #fb #
  • Between the dangers of self-denial and self-indulgence there is the path Christ wants us to walk. #fb #
  • The fight of faith is a fight to feast on all that God is for us in Christ. JP — wrap your head around that one eh! #fb #
  • What we hunger for most, we worship. JP — now that was simple but profound! #fb #
  • God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in him. JP #fb #
  • Perhaps, then, the denial of our stomach’s appetite for food might express,
    or even increase, our soul’s appetite for God. JP #fb #
  • “Desires for other things" — there’s the enemy. And the only weapon that will triumph is a deeper hunger for God. JP #fb #
  • Appetite dictates the direction of their lives. JP #fb #
  • Don't yield to “the desires for other things [that] enter in and choke the word” (Mark 4:19). #fb #
  • What masters us has become our god; and Paul warns us about those “whose god is their appetite” (Philp 3:19). JP #fb #
  • “All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything” (1Cor 6:12). — have you been mastered by food? #fb #
  • “Food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat” (1Cor 8:8). #fb #
  • “Why… do you submit yourself to decrees, such as ‘Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch’?” (Col 2:20-21). #fb #
  • Beware of books on fasting. The Bible is very careful to warn us about people who “advocate abstaining from foods". JP #fb #
  • The discipline of self-denial is fraught with dangers — perhaps only surpassed by the dangers of indulgence. JP #fb #
  • feasting why fasting! hunger for the fullness of God through fasting and at the same time feast with him at his table of grace. #fb #
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Feb 16

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  • it is humility to confess and believe you "know in part" and you "see through a glass darkly" (1Cor 13:9,13). #fb #
  • Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. #fb #
  • He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD. Pr 17:15 #fb #
  • I strongly suggest the following messages by brother Jake Siemens — http://churchatvienna.com/sermondownloads/?preacher=4 #fb #
  • know the truth, live the truth, and share the truth. — Jesus is the truth! #fb #
  • I strongly suggest the following messages my brother Jake Siemens — http://churchatvienna.com/sermondownloads/?preacher=4 #fb #
  • God words were "Don't try to clean up your life, come to me and I will make you clean." — it was like a light turned on in a dark room #fb #
  • I remember just as clear as if it was yesterday how my God supernaturally enlighten my mind and spoke to heart some 30 years ago. #fb #
  • bible salvation is "Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death" Rom 8:2, #fb #
  • if you find your self in Rom 7:15; 7:19; 7:24 then you then you are only under conviction and have yet been saved! #fb #
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Feb 16

Hallelujah! What a Savior by Philip P BlissMan of Sorrows! what a name
For the Son of God, who came
Ruined sinners to reclaim.
Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Bearing shame and scoffing rude,
In my place condemned He stood;
Sealed my pardon with His blood.
Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Guilty, vile, and helpless we;
Spotless Lamb of God was He;
“Full atonement!” can it be?
Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Lifted up was He to die;
“It is finished!” was His cry;
Now in Heav’n exalted high.
Hallelujah! What a Savior!

When He comes, our glorious King,
All His ransomed home to bring,
Then anew His song we’ll sing:
Hallelujah! What a Savior!
–Phil ip P. Blis

This has been come one of my favorite hymns. It is very beautiful. We brothers sang it this morning before we started work.

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Feb 16

With the Iconoclasm iPhone app you break the barriers of what you can do with your icons. Previously, you had to deal with multiple extensions that didn’t necessarily play nice with each other.

Here is what my home screen looks like.

Bob’s iPhone Home Sceen:
iPhone Icons

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Feb 16

Dwayne Steiner KellyOh what will I do,
With this mess that I am in.
My life is not going right,
My heart is full of sin.

I got off the narrow way,
And can’t find my way back.
I’m slipping deeper and deeper in sin,
I’m completely off the track.

Got mixed with this girl,
And I don’t know what do.
I’ve been trying to give her up,
It’s so hard to go through.

I still hear Jesus calling,
Warning me every day.
I got better life for you,
And a better place to stay.

Some times I feel so mad,
Just want to left alone.
I still keep hearing his voice,
Calling me come home.

Oh Jesus won’t you help me,
I just can’t do it alone.
I’ve tried so many times,
The number makes me groan.

Some times I tend to think,
Perhaps it’s not for me.
Then I catch a ray of light,
Calling me to flee.

So I look upward one more time,
And listen for the call.
The one that will make me last,
And save me from this fall.

Lord you Know I have no strength,
You’ll have to help me out.
Save me from the love of sin,
And all of my sinful doubt.

I don’t know how you’ll do it,
But I’m open to your plan.
Just tarry a little longer,
Before you come again.

I don’t want to be lost,
And can’t seem to be found.
My world is all spinning,
Round and round and round.

Help me make the right choices,
So I don’t plunge deeper in sin.
And get in so much trouble,
My heart your never win.

Get your children praying,
Praying for my soul.
Pleading for mercy from heaven,
Get back what Satan stole.

Protect me from the devil,
He’s trying to drag me down.
Down to a devil’s hell,
Where light is never found.

And help me to call out,
And ask for help again.
To be willing to put sin aside,
And flee Satan’s den.

I know the longer I say,
The hard it will be.
Please work out circumstances,
So I’ll be willing from sin to flee.

I don’t know what else to say,
I’ve said it all before.
Just please help me to be saved,
Before you shut the door.
–Bob Mutch

I was chatting on Facebook with Dwayne Steiner-Kelly who is backsliden and I wrote him this poem on chat. Seemed like it touched his heart and he still seems to be tender. He amened most of the verses.

I know he has heard it all before but at least I got some good out of writing it. He’s mixed with a women that has been married before and he needs our prayers. Please pray for him even if you don’t know him.

He used to attend the Conservative Mennonites in Corinth. Any way if you known him please pray for him. You can call him 807-852-4512.

I know if you see this Dwayne you may not like but I love you brother and want to see you get help. If I messed up I want want others to do what ever they could to help me. I know you not happy in sin and when you back with the Lord you will thank me.

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Feb 15

Your Brother Shall Trespass Against TheeMoreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
–Matthew 18:15-17

I have been having a conversation with a number of brothers on the Believers Security and the No-Sin-Nature teaching. I had one of tell me tonight that they didn’t consider me brother in Christ due to what I believe.

I thought it would make a good article on how to deal with Christians who take this kind of action.

Here is what the dear brother told to me on Facebook chat.

Bob I enjoy our many discussions but I fear for you, I can’t call you a brother because I think you are clinging to your own righteousness. Just let go and trust Jesus that he did it all. I have read much on your blog.

I don’t take this lightly. I see that you highly value your righteousness and I see that a condition of your salvation is acts of righteousness.

You are not finding your salvation is Jesus. You are finding it in working for Him and there is no salvation there. I have no bitter feelings towards you. I just think you are deceived.

Here is the best way according to scriptures to deal with someone who has taken that position.

1. Be prayed up each day and be ready for an attack from Satan. You should always be ready for a surprise attack from the devil. This morning I praying that I would ready for all attacks of the devil. I prayed that if I had stroke, if my wife left me and cleaned out the bank accounts, if someone punch me out, or if my business failed I would have grace to have victory over these very things and that I would not lose my joy.

2. Don’t render “evil for evil, or railing for railing” (1Pet 3:9). Remember “a soft answer turneth away wrath” (Pr 15:1). Don’t strike back and tell them they are deceived, not saved, or have bad spirit. It’s okay to let them that God will judge them in the same way they judge others (Mat 7:2), and what the Bible has to say about condemning the just (Pro 17:15), but other than make sure you don’t accuse them back.

3. If you feel any wrong feelings toward them, or if you feel hurt with the charge they have made, end the conversation and go to prayer and ask God for grace to help in the time of need (Heb 4:16).

4. It is best to not have a protracted conversation with them but suggest they pray for you and let them know you love them and will praying for them.

5. If they don’t tell you way they think you are not converted and they don’t appear to be upset you could ask them for the reasons why and ask them what they think you should do to be saved.

6. Then examine yourself in prayer before the Lord to see if the charges are true. Examine yourselves if you are in the faith (2Cor 13:5). Take a good honest look according to the scriptures and pray and ask God to reveal to you if there be any wrong way in you.

7. Don’t allow this to discourage you. But realize you are taking part in the suffering of Christ.

8. Use this example to help you see the how harmful it is to tell precious children of God they are not saved. Example yourself and see if you have this kind of attitude working in you. Repent if you see any hint of this in your own experience and pray and ask God to help to learn for this example.

9. Don’t go around gossiping about this person. Spend your time talking about them before the Lord.

10. Make sure you have no get back, no bitterness, or nothing in your that wishes for their failure. Many time God can let false charges come your way to see whether you are building on wood, hay, and stubble, or gold, silver, and precious stones (1Cor 3:12).

11. Write a short letter listing the charges they have made and what they think you need to do. Note in the letter why think they they are wrong and go in meekness (2Tim 2:25) and read the letter to them. Don’t enter into a protracted discussion with them. If they will not hear you find an elder or minister whom they are under and without giving the elder/minister the details ask to set up a meeting where you can bring out the contents of the letter to the person and ask them retract their charges (Mat 18:15-17).

12. If they retract their charges forgive them and don’t gossip about what they have done. If they don’t retract the charges commit them into the hands of the ministry which they are under and allow them do deal with them as they see fit. You would need to limit your contact with them until they make their wrong charges right.

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